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good morning and welcome to the orion

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here with me today to talk about the

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vehicle is lori garver

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nasa deputy administrator mark guyer

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orion multi-purpose crew vehicle program

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manager and larry price the orion deputy

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program manager for lockheed martin

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we'll have a brief overview and then

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we'll take questions lori

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thank you very much

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good morning everyone it is wonderful to

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have you here

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at the kennedy space center where we are

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honoring and celebrating over 30 years

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of a space shuttle program

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looking behind you we have

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in just uh hopefully 24 hours maybe a

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few more uh going to show the world just

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what it is that nasa has been doing on

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behalf of the american taxpayer for the

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last 30 years as we have uh carried

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unbelievable amounts of satellites

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spacecraft and ultimately building the

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space station to orbit using our

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wonderful space shuttle

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today we're here this morning to talk

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about the future and what we are doing

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at nasa when this amazing vehicle the

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space shuttle retires in just a few

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weeks i am standing in front of uh the

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test article of the orion mpc vehicle

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this vehicle is what is going to allow

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nasa on behalf of the american people

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and the world to explore again beyond

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low earth orbit

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this vehicle is a partnership nasa

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is working very closely with our

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industry team led by lockheed martin

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corporation we have

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just recently

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looked at the requirements that we have

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at nasa for this new program that

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president obama announced last year

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agreed to by both members of congress

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bipartisan support for space exploration

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outlined that we would have a

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multi-purpose crew vehicle

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on top of a space launch system that

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will travel first to an asteroid with

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humans for the first time and beyond to

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mars in the mid 2030s

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the president spoke about these goals

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again just yesterday and it is with this

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vehicle that we intend to carry out that

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looked at as i said the requirements for

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those missions and found that they so

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well matched with the previous program

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of orion under the constellation system

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that we are going forward with this

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vehicle we

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look forward to very soon selecting the

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specific design for the space launch

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system

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this era of exploration once again on

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behalf of the american people i want to

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first congratulate not only

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the nasa team but the lockheed team they

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have worked incredibly well this last

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more more than a year of transition we

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recognize that the team has found

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unbelievably creative ways to

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some of the systems that were required

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previously for consolation that are not

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for the new program we have streamlined

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activities they have gotten savings they

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can tell you more details about that but

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on behalf of charlie bolden the head of

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nasa and the whole nasa team we just

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could not be prouder of this program we

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believe that on behalf of the american

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people it is again time for nasa to do

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the hard thing to go beyond low earth

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orbit for over 50 years now we've been

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transporting people to and from low

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earth orbit we have a program commercial

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crew as you know that will be working

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with our industry partners to rely on

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them more to be contracting in new ways

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so that they can

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add their innovative spirit as

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lockheed has helped the government do

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with this program to truly truly be able

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to commercialize space and open up space

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for more people and activities as we

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lower the cost of getting to and from

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low earth orbit through this commercial

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cargo and crew program it will allow us

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to do these

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programs that nasa was established to do

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again we couldn't be prouder of the team

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our program manager of the orion

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multi-purpose crew vehicle team

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mark guyer thanks mark

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thank you laurie

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thanks everybody i appreciate everybody

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for showing up today gives us a chance

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to talk about the work that we're so

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excited about and talk about something

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that we think is very important for the

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united states

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the mpcb orion system is one of the key

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systems that can can keep the united

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in front for exploration

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it's a system that

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houses the crew when we leave earth's

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atmosphere as well as translate to the

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beyond earth orbit destinations that

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system that houses the crew when we

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return them safely uh to the surface of

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the planet uh the mpcb orion system

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enables uh us to return the crew safely

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contingencies in any phase of the flight

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and return them back safely to us

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designed from the beginning for people

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designed from the beginning for safety

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it also is a highly capable system that

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provides the delta v and life support

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and extended duration that that fits in

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all the architectures that nasa's

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talking about and all the destinations

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that we're looking at so it's a highly

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um it's in three

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launch abort system uh that larry will

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enables us to get the crew off in an

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emergency during the early phases of of

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actually obviously where the crew sits

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accommodations where they stole their

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capsule systems it also uh has the seats

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and parachutes and tps that allows us to

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return them safely to the surface

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life support and propellant systems to

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it's lori mentioned

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everything this team has done it's a

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highly integrated team between nasa and

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the best expertise from both to tackle

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and so i'd like to introduce larry he's

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background on the status of the program

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again thank you all for coming here this

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uh mark and mark and i our entire team

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this program we have been working on it

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the concept functionality to meet those

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launch abort system this is three solid

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separation of the crew system away from

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guide the crew module directly off from

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the pad a mile up and a mile away and

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the descent system designed for return

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we have the first uh crew module in

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now starting tests this month so that's

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the first spacecraft that's been

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going through a series of environmental

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tests to verify what the environments

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conditions but not over qualify them

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the designs have been coming together

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we've got the avionics system the power

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systems and they are in in test today as

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hardware designs coming together and

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test so that we'll be ready to meet the

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requirements of the nation and and we

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too are extremely proud and excited to

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be part of this collaborative team

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working with nasa we have over 70

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contractors five significant prime

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contractors and it's a relationship

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where frankly you can't tell who works

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a sub or nasa it is this team working

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we'll go ahead and take questions now

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please state your name and affiliation

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jonathan amos bbc news the europeans are

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coming to the end of their atv

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development they've got a i think three

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more vehicles to produce and then they

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discussions with them about that what

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exactly could the europeans do to get

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so you know one of my jobs is to give my

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boss lots of options

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as laurie said the budget we need to be

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looking at smart ways of doing things

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being affordable and one one of the

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things is to look at other opportunities

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for people providing parts of the system

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flying as early as possible and doing

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what the requirements might be and what

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the deal might look like so i would

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systems

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and they've done things on space station

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computers and other things that were a

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big part of space station's success so

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they'd be very useful

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thank you

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from talking space uh

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the design of the vehicle is somewhat

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similar to the old apollo vehicle has

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any of that data has helped you guys out

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in the design of the vehicle and have

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you been collaborating with any of the

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apollo folks thank you absolutely

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absolutely so i think what we the key

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thing there is we take the best from

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what we've learned there and we add the

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newest technology and the new our newest

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experience all the things we've learned

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since apollo on shuttle and everything

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else and applied it to those systems a

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lot the physics hasn't changed since the

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60s so re-entry is the same so we use

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the the databases we've had before and

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the experience we had before in the

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design of both the shape and the

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thermal protection system are good

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examples

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thank you tarik malik with space.com um

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and i think mark for you um in the

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earlier orion uh i guess process you had

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two variants a four person and a sixth

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person uh depending on what you're going

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to use it for i'm just kind of curious

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which design then you're kind of leaning

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towards for a deep space would you want

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a four person like a more versatile

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craft

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you know what your your schedule might

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be in terms of having to down select

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that so that you can make it meet the

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space launch system requirements yeah

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great good question it's the same design

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the the this size this volume is what is

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required for a four person crew for

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those longer duration missions you know

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the longer you're in space together you

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need more room for stowing equipment for

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the bathroom frankly for other things

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and putting on and off ebay suits so you

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need more volume for the longer duration

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mission so this volume is appropriate

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for a four person mission

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if you wanted to though we don't have a

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mission for that if you wanted to do a

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much shorter duration you could fit more

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people into but right now we don't have

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seth bornstein associated press maybe

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for lori

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um the change from orion to mcpv

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mpcv can you tell us besides just the

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name

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what specifics did you change and why

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and the cost of it and especially the

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cost of just changing the name i mean

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how much are taxpayers paying because

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you're dumping orion for mpcv and how

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much are these overall changes costing

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i'll let mark follow up on the details

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or larry but overall i would say as i

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mentioned in my opening remarks that we

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looked at the alignment of the

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requirements for the previous program

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consolation and for our needs going

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forward and found that they were so well

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aligned that we ever chosen the vehicle

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uh it's interesting you pick on the name

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we i see everything says orion it's not

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clear to me that there just because it

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is a multi-purpose crew vehicle it

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always was a multi-purpose crew vehicle

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uh we will be looking i think as we

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transition to new programs what it is uh

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that will identify with this vast new

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exploration program we have but uh

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naming it's not really something that

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we've been hung up on in any way we're

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happy happy to be with the orion team

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here and uh

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just clarifying because the law the

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actual law said we would develop a

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multi-purpose crew vehicle i don't think

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the law meant to name something just to

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describe it and overall i would say

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while

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we have somewhat in my view granted i

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wasn't here at the time so i could be

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corrected gone back to the original

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purpose of orion orion's original

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purpose was for deep space exploration

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was not intended to go to the space

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station we had hoped to have uh the

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commercial vehicles more advanced at

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that time funding was not available we

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did not start funding the crew program

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yet and so orion was going to be making

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detour to the space station on its way

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it's it was set to do deep space and in

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fact much much overbuilt for the space

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station mission and overqualified

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and we certainly all uh recognize that

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if needed we would do that it is in the

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law that it is a backup but we really

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believe that if you are spending all

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your money doing that you are not going

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to be going further which is what the

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american taxpayer and the president have

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asked us to do

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so just in terms of the changes though

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so we

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you know i don't know that we've spent

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20 bucks on the name i think laura said

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it very well we're going to do that

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prudently we're going to make sure we're

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going to make sure we do what makes

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sense and we're we're using orion today

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we have not changed our documents and

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those kind of things we'll work with

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headquarters to see what makes sense but

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right now we haven't done that no reason

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to yet

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i think i think the key thing is what

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you said is we know we recognize the

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budget challenges these days and i think

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lori said it very well this team has

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done a great job i think of getting down

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to what is essential relative to design

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and test and fabrication uh on this

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vehicle and we've cut a lot of costs out

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overhead and other things to get down to

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i think provide the best capability for

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the country so that's what i focus on in

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the last few years we i think we've done

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a great job in concert with headquarters

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hey alex kurst nhk um so i heard you

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guys um talking a little bit before

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about safety safety is the name of the

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game certainly now can you tell us what

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if anything specifically encourages you

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about this vehicle vis-a-vis the space

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well let's see i'd say a couple things

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the mission itself

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given that we have the crew separate

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from the large cargo enables us to have

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an abort capability through all phases

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of flight i think that's a fundamental

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difference so that's why the launch

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abort system is so important during

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ascent

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we're going to have a great rocket i

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know but there there are still things

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that happen and even when those unlikely

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things happen we're going to be able to

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get the crew off and we showed that in

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the paddleboard one test that we have a

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highly capable system the other thing i

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think also that maybe people don't know

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is we have a capability contingency

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capability actually returned from these

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uh deep space missions even in even in a

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depressed condition where the cabin is

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depressed this system is built to return

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that crew over extended duration and get

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them back on the surface of their so

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there's things like that that we thought

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from the beginning through the whole

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mission of how to

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handle contingencies and get the crew

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safely back so i think those are some

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that might also contribute to it yeah so

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the question was simplicity of the craft

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so really from you know 100 years of

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flight 50 years of space we've been

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leveraging all of the lessons learned in

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space to apply it to the principal

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design to simplify the design so it

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would avoid those failure modes and then

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as mark is mentioning then we make those

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systems that you still have to have

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robust in addition to the obvious

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systems that that mark pointed out we've

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got a redundancy in other components and

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then even redundancy that's intended to

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be a different backup so we don't have

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what you call common mode failures so

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taking all the lessons learned from

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human space flight aircraft flight even

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nascar we participate in design of

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nascar race cars that can run into the

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wall at 200 miles an hour apply that to

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materials technology so when space

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program started nasa was was beginning

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all of this work now we've got the

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opportunity to leverage the rest of the

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industry and apply it back into the

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system so it's a collaboration of both

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the avionics system is a good example

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it's derived from

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computers that are flying airliners

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today so this is really the sixth

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generation of a fault tolerant hardware

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and software system that we're getting

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thousands of hours of test time every

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day that nasa is not paying for the

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commercial airlines are

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testing those systems for us all the

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time so we're leveraging all of those

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hi ken kramer for space flight magazine

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for nasa and lockheed can you talk about

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when you will launch humans into space

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and the flight test program leading up

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to that and when will nasa pick a rocket

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to do that flight test those initial

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flight tests which i think are in 2013.

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thank you

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well we uh as i said in the opening

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remarks are very close to selecting a

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specific design uh for the rocket and as

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we do that we will be laying out the

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test flight program this is a

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constrained budget environment however

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and some of the test flight dates that

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you mentioned are

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things that would have been

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possible on the authorization levels

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that are significantly higher than both

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what we received for 11 and not only

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what our request is for 12 but what the

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appropriators have just outlined at

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least in the house would be

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for 12. so those test flights

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we are looking at now what that schedule

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would be and hoping to be able to

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make our final determination on the

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designs and get it announced on the sls

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frank mooring with aviation week just to

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follow up lori does that mean that

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another launch vehicle besides sls have

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you made that decision

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the program has made uh recommendations

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about that i think until our final

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vehicles are selected unless i'm wrong

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we aren't ready to announce those

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decisions but the constrained fiscal

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environment does cause us to really look

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at test flights and then of course also

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with what

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we choose for the sls will depend if

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there are things that are more readily

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available and those would work

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in a way that would not only then test

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the crew vehicle but part of the rocket

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as well that would clearly possibly be a

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more efficient way to do it where is the

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sls decision at this point

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the sls decision we are looking at all

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the cost evaluation we have an

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independent cost evaluation coming

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through

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and uh

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we still hope to be able to announce i

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jim siegel with the celebration

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independent newspaper um there are

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you mentioned earlier lori about the

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constrained budget situation that the

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country faces right now so how would you

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answer

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those who

560
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:53,440
would question

561
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:56,559
why should we be spending uh this money

562
00:21:02,549 --> 00:20:59,840
today for deep deep space exploration i

563
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:02,559
mean besides just being first what's in

564
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:05,120
it for the taxpayer thank you

565
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,720
i guess i challenge

566
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:08,720
folks who believe that we shouldn't be

567
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,799
spending money on space to recognize

568
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:12,480
that all this money is spent here on

569
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:15,919
earth that every penny of the taxpayers

570
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:18,159
dollars that has been spent toward nasa

571
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:20,320
and these unbelievable programs has gone

572
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:21,840
to

573
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:24,799
jobs in this country folks who have

574
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:26,320
developed technologies who have then

575
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:28,720
come off and developed new markets

576
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,799
and created even more jobs to help our

577
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,640
economic growth aerospace industry is

578
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,039
still one of the last remaining export

579
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:37,520
industries in this nation that has

580
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:39,760
created unbelievable

581
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,640
wealth and growth for our country

582
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:44,960
in addition the leadership of great

583
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,400
nations explore this is what we do as a

584
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:50,559
nation we in the united states are

585
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:53,679
explorers we can't wait to get back to

586
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,520
exploration beyond low earth orbit but i

587
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:57,440
would challenge you to say that we are

588
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,360
exploring on the international space

589
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:01,200
station the space shuttle has been an

590
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,480
exploring vehicle it's a little tough to

591
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,480
have people believe we're trapped in low

592
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,400
earth orbit when we realize how amazing

593
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:10,240
it is to be able to get there with this

594
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:12,080
vehicle that we will hopefully be

595
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:14,000
launching tomorrow the international

596
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:17,039
space station is developing not only the

597
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:20,400
types of technologies and information we

598
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,440
need for nasa to go further we are

599
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:25,280
developing technologies that are used

600
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,600
right here on planet earth through

601
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:29,520
medical technologies

602
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,640
materials we we have made advancements

603
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:34,640
in uh computer technology

604
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,720
miniaturization from the space program

605
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:38,640
that has led to

606
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,440
the innovation that has made this

607
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:42,960
country great

608
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,799
nasa is that very very small part of the

609
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:48,960
government funding that is an investment

610
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,600
in our future and through developments

611
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,280
in aeronautics

612
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:55,679
earth sciences the ability to have

613
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:57,039
satellites that are going to help us

614
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:58,400
determine

615
00:23:01,990 --> 00:23:00,640
what it is in store for our planet in

616
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:02,000
the future

617
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,679
you cannot put a price on that and i

618
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:05,520
can't complete my answer without talking

619
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:08,159
about the fact that nasa was born of the

620
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:09,760
cold war

621
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,840
has opened up the world for this

622
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,880
peaceful

623
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,039
cooperative relationship we have with

624
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,039
the former soviet union

625
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,360
while we don't want to count on the

626
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,840
soyuz the russian vehicle for our

627
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,840
transportation services any longer than

628
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,679
we have to the fact that we have this

629
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,799
partnership

630
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,720
with russia that has allowed us to work

631
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:32,559
together peacefully

632
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:34,400
how can you put a price tag on that that

633
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,440
is what nasa has given to the world and

634
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,600
it's a privilege to be part of the group

635
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,080
that has done it and uh while we spent

636
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,640
four percent of the budget during apollo

637
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:46,960
we do it for less than half a percent

638
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,840
now

639
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,440
and uh

640
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:51,919
the men and women of

641
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:55,520
nasa the contractor team university team

642
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,480
have been doing this so that we our

643
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,400
children our grandchildren can have a

644
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,039
better future it's nothing short of in

645
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:04,960
my view the very best

646
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:07,600
investment that the taxpayer makes uh in

647
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:08,720
the

648
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,480
can i try to add just a little bit lori

649
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,799
so so we do this because we're engineers

650
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,240
and we love building these marvelous

651
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:18,720
machines and the people we deal with but

652
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,799
the flight test article we transported

653
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,559
from california recently so we can use

654
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,400
it in production pathfinder testing

655
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,720
today but we had the opportunity to make

656
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,720
a few stops across the country and i

657
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,960
participated in the stop in austin and

658
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:33,039
in two days they had 10 000 people just

659
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:34,799
stopped by the vehicle in austin they

660
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,640
just wanted to touch it they just wanted

661
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:38,240
to hear that we were doing so that we

662
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:39,919
were doing this as a country going on

663
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,720
and exploring and and they had no vested

664
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:44,159
interest right in austin they were just

665
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:45,919
excited about it so i think the

666
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:48,080
grassroots everyone we talk to children

667
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,600
youth that are excited about being

668
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:51,679
astronauts are coming up to us every day

669
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:53,919
and want to participate nasa has high

670
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,840
school interns that are participating in

671
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:57,679
this program that are excited they

672
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,600
participated in the rendezvous and

673
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,840
proxop demo on the last shuttle flight

674
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,360
high school kids that are sitting on

675
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,679
console during the summer and the

676
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,679
congress you all know is very supportive

677
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:09,840
of it yes it's expensive yes the economy

678
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:12,159
is tight but the spin-offs and the

679
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:13,840
inspiration that this creates is

680
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:21,590
any more questions

681
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,950
yeah hi mike wahl from space.com um so

682
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:26,080
yeah people

683
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:27,279
people are used to seeing the space

684
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:29,200
shuttle as sort of i mean our iconic

685
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,960
space vehicle for this country and this

686
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,640
i mean it looks back like it like it

687
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,919
seems like we're sort of going back in

688
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,240
time with this design and so

689
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,480
yes what would you say to folks who who

690
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,320
would say well this this looks like old

691
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,559
technology it looks like i know 60s era

692
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:44,159
technology how has it sort of been

693
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,039
adapted for the 21st century and also do

694
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:49,279
you guys have any plans to to sort of

695
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,799
give this

696
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,279
like could actually land on an asteroid

697
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,120
this vehicle or i mean do you have any

698
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:56,880
plans to actually put that capability in

699
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:58,960
some time

700
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,000
yeah so i think you know part of it is

701
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,840
again the physics doesn't change so you

702
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:06,000
have to look beyond the shape

703
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,679
to understand the technology that's in

704
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:09,360
this vehicle so as larry mentioned

705
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:12,000
before we've used the state of the art

706
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,279
in other industries so we're not

707
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,720
starting from the beginning and then

708
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,400
accelerated it and added the

709
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:18,480
capabilities we need to do this deep

710
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,000
space mission so it is advanced

711
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:22,480
technology for the for the thermal

712
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,159
protection system the launch abort

713
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,120
system the avionics uh all the life

714
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,799
support systems that are part of keeping

715
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,720
the crew alive are not systems that we

716
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:32,320
pulled from apollo obviously right this

717
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,679
is stuff we've learned from apollo

718
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:36,000
advanced in both other industries as

719
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:37,440
well as the shuttle and now apply to

720
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:38,559
this system

721
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:39,679
um

722
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:42,000
as far as the the the neo missions there

723
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,840
are other capabilities you could do as

724
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:45,360
we get close to the neos there's a

725
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,480
couple ways where you could actually get

726
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:47,760
to the surface

727
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,559
evas or another vehicle that would allow

728
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,960
the crew to descend down to the surface

729
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,799
you wouldn't actually dock

730
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:57,120
with this particular vehicle

731
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:58,480
but this gets them there and allows them

732
00:27:02,390 --> 00:26:59,840
to get home

733
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,400
i'll mention uh the iconic image of the

734
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,400
space shuttle and i do believe it is

735
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:06,960
something that the public has related to

736
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:09,440
similar to sort of that footprint on the

737
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,120
moon and

738
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,520
we'll have flying vehicles with wings in

739
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,039
the future we'll have footprints on the

740
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,520
moon in the future but this is using

741
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:19,360
what we've learned one of the earlier

742
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,919
responses to the question about why

743
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:24,240
this vehicle is safer and why we're more

744
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,760
comfortable with it than the space

745
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:27,360
shuttle is you know apollo was the way

746
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,720
it was for a reason this is going into

747
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,799
deep space the shuttle could not do that

748
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:32,880
and in fact the

749
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,919
possibilities of being able to escape at

750
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,919
any moment are something that we just

751
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:39,679
need to require we learn

752
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,480
that we shouldn't be carrying the large

753
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:44,399
payloads with the crew as was a cave

754
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,000
recommendation these are things we put

755
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,080
into place so yes we will always have

756
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,640
the shuttle iconic image we we really

757
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,640
need to recognize the space station as

758
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,799
an iconic image i know we don't see it

759
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,559
physically as

760
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:58,640
it launches and lands

761
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,039
as it did that in pieces but i don't

762
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:03,600
know i assume all of you like like me do

763
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,720
track it and go overnight and see that

764
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:08,640
beautiful bright object in the sky go

765
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,760
overhead

766
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,840
and recognize we have women and men

767
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,159
living in space permanently we are space

768
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,480
faring civilization and

769
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:18,159
with this vehicle it is going to allow

770
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,230
i'm waiting

771
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:25,760
i'm bill cap

772
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,919
from wwl tv in new orleans and

773
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:31,679
my guys had a little trouble getting in

774
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:33,200
position i'm waiting for a second for

775
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:34,720
him to get in position that of course is

776
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:39,990
there we go this new orleans is where

777
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,520
the external tanks have been built

778
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,000
and there's a lot of uh angst and

779
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,080
concern in new orleans about what the

780
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,240
future of space flight is we've run into

781
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:52,960
people here uh who helped build those

782
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:55,360
tanks who are very worried because he's

783
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,549
they're very worried about what the next

784
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,720
step will be and whether new orleans

785
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:04,480
will have a role

786
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:07,919
in that so so what can you tell the

787
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,919
people of new orleans about what their

788
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:11,760
future might be

789
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,000
in the space

790
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:17,440
exploration race

791
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:19,279
the women and men who have worked on the

792
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:22,159
space shuttle program in new orleans in

793
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:23,360
houston

794
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:26,240
in cocoa beach and titusville area have

795
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,919
put their hearts and soul into a vehicle

796
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,679
and should be nothing but proud of the

797
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:31,520
accomplishment we

798
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,399
plan

799
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:34,960
a very robust future for

800
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,720
not only human space flight but nasa

801
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:38,480
generally that will take all the

802
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:41,600
contributions of these people investing

803
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:44,240
in those technologies and those programs

804
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,919
that can help lower the cost and be more

805
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,000
efficient are what are going to continue

806
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:50,640
to create more jobs and keep aerospace

807
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:53,520
industry on the cutting edge to keep us

808
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,840
from just having only government-funded

809
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:57,840
programs that we know are not only

810
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:01,279
limited but maybe not even growing

811
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:03,760
as of course we would all hope

812
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:07,039
we absolutely recognize that

813
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:08,240
shoot

814
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:11,360
capabilities across the country have uh

815
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:14,320
unique aspects of them that we want to

816
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,000
take advantage of the future programs

817
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:18,480
whether there are aspects of the sls

818
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:20,559
that will do that specifically in in new

819
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,440
orleans

820
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,520
future commercial vehicles i know are

821
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,600
looking at the facility

822
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:26,880
those are all

823
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:29,919
potential for that facility but i guess

824
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,320
i would also just add i mean we know we

825
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:34,080
owe what we have with the shuttle

826
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:35,760
program to

827
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,480
the folks at michoud

828
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,039
never forget those uh people who wrote

829
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:43,520
out the hurricane and literally saved

830
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,960
the space station

831
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,640
space shuttle the human space flight

832
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:48,480
program and have allowed us to do all

833
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,960
this i have a son who's spent his first

834
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:52,640
year in college and i know people feel

835
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,799
like the shuttles are like children and

836
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:56,720
it's hard when they go away and you feel

837
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,960
a little sad at first and

838
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:00,720
some days you're a little relieved and

839
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:02,480
they made it and you're proud mainly

840
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:03,840
you're proud and that's what people

841
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:05,360
should feel about this program and

842
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,600
recognize that uh by their achievements

843
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:10,159
they're going to allow us to do even

844
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,519
more and we want all of their

845
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,360
participation

846
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:15,039
you can come visit them and we'll get

847
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:17,919
you a nice oyster pull boy or crawfish

848
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,399
uh jambalaya

849
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,880
we do uh of course we do weld the orion

850
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:24,559
system michoud and we take the

851
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:26,000
experience we got a lot of experienced

852
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:27,600
people from et that were applied to that

853
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:29,840
job so they're a key part of our

854
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,549
i'm sorry

855
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:38,389
frank mooring with aviation we got lori

856
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:39,840
i just want to follow up a little bit

857
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,399
about your answer on the sls system you

858
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,880
said by the end of the summer um

859
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,080
you know you're under a certain amount

860
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,000
of pressure from congress to

861
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:50,640
to have produced that already um and

862
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,919
it's also my understanding that the

863
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:53,600
administrator has picked a reference

864
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,679
designed for the vehicle and forwarded

865
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,600
it to the white house for uh

866
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,760
consideration so could you maybe break

867
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,039
it out a little bit more about where

868
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,840
that decision is and exactly when

869
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,360
or at least a little bit more precisely

870
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,600
when we can expect to see it

871
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:09,120
well we actually picked a reference

872
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:10,000
design

873
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:11,360
vehicle i think as you know in the

874
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,080
report to congress in january we have

875
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,120
been working to respond to

876
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,120
this final uh decision that came out

877
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,279
about a month ago well it turns out that

878
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:23,200
the administration makes these decisions

879
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,320
and there is not a final decision uh

880
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:28,399
if you look historically at how

881
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,519
we have

882
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:31,279
made these decisions i look back to the

883
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,000
very space shuttle program and the

884
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:36,159
administration looks

885
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:39,919
very very closely at getting the right

886
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,799
design that we know when we put it

887
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,720
forward is affordable

888
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,799
and sustainable

889
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:48,320
we have

890
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:50,960
absolutely a reference design that we

891
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,640
are looking at very closely that as we

892
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:57,039
look at the costs and the independent

893
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,880
cost assessment we will be ready to

894
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,000
announce

895
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,399
and and where in the administration is

896
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,399
we looking at it which part of the

897
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:06,720
administration we're one team in our

898
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:13,830
uh leon wright with irish television uh

899
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:15,679
we had a look yesterday at the spacex

900
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:17,679
vehicle the uh the small

901
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:20,080
capsule that they they've developed

902
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:23,039
can you describe for a layperson where

903
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,039
these two vehicles fit in evolutionary

904
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,279
terms rather like the t-shirt that shows

905
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:29,200
homo sapiens i mean can you can you

906
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:31,200
place these two vehicles on that

907
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:39,750
i can uh i i i

908
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:42,640
i'm i less compared to

909
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,960
evolution than those types of

910
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:47,039
technologies that once you develop them

911
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:48,720
become operational while you still

912
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,399
develop the next so if we are looking at

913
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,240
things we've done for 50 years which is

914
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:56,559
go to and from low earth orbit of

915
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,440
launching people and things we know that

916
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,360
we have uh

917
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:03,360
for decades now done that with the

918
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,720
private sector we have paid the private

919
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,879
sector to launch a satellite we now

920
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,720
intend to pay the private sector to

921
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,240
launch crew

922
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:14,480
same thing that we've done in the past

923
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,000
at nasa

924
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,399
we have developed new vehicles that are

925
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,639
going further and that are putting in

926
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,639
the new technology that we have

927
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,639
developed through these investments in

928
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,040
order to do the cutting edge exploration

929
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,200
that is is orion that is the difference

930
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,760
when i said it's uh would be

931
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,919
uh overbuilt and overqualified for the

932
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,760
station mission it can do the station

933
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,200
mission it is

934
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:39,919
simply something that would cost

935
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,320
much more to do and so you'd rather have

936
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,879
that an efficient way nasa has spent uh

937
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,639
nearly a third of our budget on space

938
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,480
transportation to and from low earth

939
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:49,919
orbit if you spent a third of your

940
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:52,320
budget on your car you would have a very

941
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:54,079
difficult time balancing your budget or

942
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,040
doing

943
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,920
new things so we are just looking to

944
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,000
do those things that have broader

945
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,160
markets that we have done for a longer

946
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:03,760
period of time we have

947
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,400
used this model for our launch industry

948
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:08,880
communications satellite industry many

949
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,119
types of space have been

950
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,200
now operated by the private sector and

951
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:14,880
we just buy the service

952
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:16,720
that is our our

953
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:17,760
model

954
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:18,560
for

955
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,359
commercial low-earth orbit and nasa

956
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:23,760
intends to with our industry partners

957
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:26,560
lockheed go beyond with this vehicle

958
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,960
could i maybe be more blunt and say that

959
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:30,880
the people in spacex talk about taking

960
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:33,680
their vehicle to mars so why is the

961
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:36,640
government building a vehicle

962
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:39,440
nasa looked very closely as i uh told

963
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,960
you to

964
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,800
look at our requirements for these deep

965
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:45,119
space vehicles and we determined that

966
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:48,000
they are in fact different enough than

967
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:49,839
the capability we require on the space

968
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,880
station to invest in a different vehicle

969
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:54,960
now absolutely in the future i know

970
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:56,720
charlie bolden has said this we do our

971
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,359
first uh test flights and missions with

972
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:01,680
this we could compete for a deep space

973
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,079
vehicle and an orion can compete and if

974
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:06,480
someone evolves another vehicle that

975
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:09,680
could could uh be in in a future we

976
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,839
truly believe at this point there is not

977
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:13,200
another market

978
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:16,079
for a human mission to an asteroid

979
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,680
or mars

980
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:19,839
probably not even the moon at this point

981
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,560
but

982
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,640
i absolutely hope and believe there will

983
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:25,040
be in the future we paved the way this

984
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,960
is the lewis and clark mission you know

985
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,160
certainly

986
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,640
folks went after that's the whole goal

987
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,480
uh and we

988
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:35,200
hope our partners at spacex can be

989
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:36,960
successful along with the other

990
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:39,599
competitors in order to bring down this

991
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,320
cost and then allow us to go uh further

992
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,160
we we want all of these industry

993
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:45,760
partners i think it's one of the most

994
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,560
exciting things about the future

995
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,560
we're capitalist society we're a nation

996
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,640
that loves a competition i remember norm

997
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:54,640
augustine saying uh you know i know we

998
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:57,280
like to cooperate but uh how many people

999
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:59,040
go to the all-star game as compared to

1000
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:00,880
the super bowl so we're going to harness

1001
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,079
that that spirit and have a competition

1002
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,960
for the low earth orbit portion as we go

1003
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:08,320
on we hope there'll be future

1004
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,760
competitions

1005
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,520
the very first question was about

1006
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:13,359
international partnership and what they

1007
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,040
could add specifically to this and while

1008
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:17,040
i wanted mark to answer the specifics of

1009
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:18,880
it i do want to be clear the national

1010
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:22,079
space policy is extremely forward

1011
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,760
leaning on working with our

1012
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:25,680
international partners as we go further

1013
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:28,560
and explore we believe that exploration

1014
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,599
is

1015
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:31,760
not only an american dream but a human

1016
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:35,680
drive of our spirit and we believe that

1017
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,400
as we go

1018
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:40,880
not only to the asteroid mission but to

1019
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,280
mars that we will be doing that

1020
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,680
with international partners

1021
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,760
that's all the time we have the next

1022
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,000
event on nasa tv will be the countdown

1023
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:52,320
status briefing at 10 am for more